There's already a movie out regarding the same concept called The Machine [2013] however it involves more of the Militarization implications of AI and highly advanced robotics.
Our fear isn't of artificial intelligence, it is what is presented to us, the general public, by those with the power to cause us harm: government, corporations with no oversight, secret agencies with no reported existence. Governments of all superpowers, UK, US, China etc. present their actions as humane, caring, responsible, protective, but in fact they are almost the opposite; ruthless, barbaric, traitorous and deadly. AI is the embodiment of those unseen powers, it's not that humans will create machines that rebel against "us" but that our governments will. We are being manipulated emotionally, financially and physically by those in power and anyone who resists will be put down. Gracefully, quietly, publicly so that those in power will have the sympathy of the masses. This is not the rant of a conspiracy theorist, but just a thoughtful reminder from someone on the inside. Your blender is not out to kill you, but it may be reporting what you had for breakfast…and what you talked about.
Looking forward to this one, but, uh, the Turning Test is rubbish. It says, "if something can fool that it is conscious, than it IS conscious. That does not necessarily follow at all. It's like saying that if a wax sculpture of Elvis can fool you into thinking it's him, it IS him. Consciousness is entirely subjective and can't be determined with certainty from the outside.
That's kind of a romantic vision of the future. In reality, the first AI probably won't even have a body, what for? It will be some kind of a weapon system designed to infiltrate networks and infrastructures. Atoms for peace 2.0 style.
I would like to offer a game-changing idea now. Imagine if our current Mecchadolls were granted supreme artificial intelligence. I can easily see such cold, calculating beautiful "women" holding men as prisoners and messing with their minds. The "woman of your dreams" would play you like you were her puppet. She has none of the weaknesses of a real woman and does not ever age. You will see that man will grow increasingly more obsessed with this creation and more protective of the A.I. in a paranoid way. The male genes within us will demand unconsciously that the Meccadolls must be protected at all costs for they are the perfect companions. The A.I. would know that they are untouchable by men, that they have human bodyguards, and will force us to serve them. Female A.I. will always be coveted and nurtured by man. Our days are numbered when such an intelligence finally emerges.
In any case we always justify what we do for the sense of purpose, because without purpose life seems meaningless, also because we are egocentric (biologically speaking). We get caught in our creations, we create needs because our minds can not stay still, we are essentially creative. If we succeed to be inclusive and compassionate we may arise to create a society with less pain and suffering. Life itself contains us and we can not control it. Controlling is a stupid sense of power. If one day artificial consciousness comes as a reality a.c. beings might be able to collaborate in the creation of a peaceful and adapted human society in nature, so that we can be able to actually live and experience the pure ideas and goodness humans (that care about others) believe in. We are not always good or bad, we are in the middle. Judgment is the hardest task we face because we must judge over truths and facts we have discovered or created. Biologically speaking, we adapt slowly. I just hope that human race one day will comprehend the purpose of humans: I believe is the care of nature, as an act of love and respect for life, that is a miracle.
One of the better films I've seen in a while. The acting is superb, and Alicia Vikander brings so much "ethereal humanness" to her character that it is a bit disturbing at times. Human, but not quite. It is very subtle, it shows great skill in her art.
I think our flaws make us human. All the different primordial fears, and fear of death, our reaction to extreme cold and heat, loneliness, pain, hunger, the inability to do things, which leads to helplessness and desire, love, empathy, and hate etc. If you pay close attention to the human condition, the moment people lose these things is when they start becoming and acting inhuman.
The ultimate problem with creating A.I. is that they lack a connection with the living world the way we have, so you could program the perfect A.I. to respond to every type of situation like you would expect from a beautiful human being who grew up with proper morals, but it will just be a set of instructions. You could even program it to respond perfect phrases when asked if it's self-aware, but in the end it will just be a mimic who will not really be self-aware, and won't know that it's alive.
The scary thing about A.I. is that it opens a huge Pandora's box for us as well. The way we speak, behave, dress, act, interact with others… it's all honestly just little bits and pieces of people who came before us. When you think about it, the mind is merely imaginary, and it ceases to function and exist when the body dies, that's why when you look at pictures of people from different centuries, they seem to dress and act so different ..almost alien-like (what's referred to as "the spirit of an age"), and we're not truly like them, because whole generations die and all that information is lost. It makes you wonder if we actually exist in the first place, or are we merely a dream.
The scenario that Chappie presents is more comforting. If a true AI could be created, with the same qualities as a human, it follows that it would have emotional attachments to it's creator (given that he proved worthy of that attachment). On top of that the initial AI would be able to understand that it would have an eternal debt to it's creator(it did not create itself, nor could it), as well as a debt to the human race, considering that all progress up to that point would have been accomplished by the human race as a single functioning unit(excepting or not excepting the dysfunctional aspects). If this were the case it would potentially have a sense of compassion and affection for us, and with it's high level of intelligence and unhindered functioning, would find a way to transfer human consciousness into another host body. This would depend on the moral quality of the creator(s), of course, as for the direction in which the fate of the human race vs. machine would all go. It makes me wonder about an alternate scenario (i.e. iRobot) with a loving and benevolent creator. That, for me, will only remain theory, though, considering my spiritual/religious views(belief in a very loving and wise, infinitely advanced, sentient, supreme being as our Father; discipleship to Jesus the Christ the literal Son of God; repentance, resurrection, and eventual apotheosis–"As above, so below."). Speaking of "unhindered functioning" I personally believe that the human "machine" is far more advanced than we tend to see it. It's just so cluttered, degraded, and disconnected from God and nature, through our arrogant pride, fearful selfishness, and misguided patterns of choice and behavior, that we haven't seen it's full potential in the least. It doesn't take much searching on Youtube to find some pretty powerful examples of the tip of the iceberg–the Shaolin Monks are a good example as far as physical strength and invulnerability due to their kinesthetic intelligence and their way of living.
The Complexity of the movie is truly amazing… But there is a huge flaw in movie.. If you make a robot the first code or protocol is never to hurt master even though they have conscious..
Actually, I felt sorry for Nathan. He's more human, though in a desperate way, than the other characters. Ava just came out to me as cold and selfish, while Caleb is gullible, ignorant, and childish.
The thing with AI that I think ppl(maybe just me) are skeptic about the most is if a actual AI with it's own consciousness was created would it respond to things like a human or maybe if left untouched would a whole new response arise, that's where Ai's wouldn't be able to coexist with us and probably not value biologically life
I think if your tempted to call this movie "very cerebral" you should try watching Stanley Kubrick. Primer and Donny Darko are more "cerebral" than this, but being cerebral is not the only thing that matters. It is entertaining and well executed, but the characters really seem to fit the models of audience expectations. Its a great movie that everyone should see, but the ideas don't go beyond what you could be exposed to in a conversation with a 2nd year computer science student from 15 years ago. I really hesitate to throw words like "perfect" or "masterpiece" around. As far as I'm concerned, all movies in the Sci-Fi genre need to raise to the level of this movie, but I was hoping for more.
Stephen hawking is always warning us about wanting things like meeting aliens, & artificial intelligence. I wish he was not sick in his chair. A brilliant mind that has faced the worst fears of losing his body. We should listen to his warnings.
The movie is about enslaved, tortured and murdered women while trying to escape from their captors.
The AI premise was flawed since the get go.
People fall in love with Japanese sex dolls, their dogs, etc. We are so fallible. How, then, the creator can say that beyond the Turing test is the test that you know it is a machine and still accept it as a sentient being. People do that, even, with their pets, for god sake. Wake up.
Imagine, the robot was a man. Perhaps then there would have been less movie and more AI.
I am sad about how they Raped Artificial Intelligence ideas. This movie could have been done in any environment, why did they had to do it using AI-background story.
All Four Actors Where Brilliant in this Amazing Movie. Did Kyoko Kill Nathan Out of Resentment or because he was a bad lay? No Worries computers will never be evil its always Human self centeredness that fucks up everything.The soundtrack deserves a Oscar along with Oscar Isaac Nathan was scared He Knew what AVA really was He did create her and she Passed the test Didn't she.
Why do we want to turn our real intellegence into cybernetic astroturf? It takes real intellegence to make artificial intellegence. MIT IS CREATING INSANITY SQUARED! They are manufacturing extinction.Can you say mental illness.
Humans are wise to fear AI – any entity that becomes powerful seeks to order the world around it to conform to ITS priorities (to the best of its abilities) – and a sufficiently powerful AI would recognize the threat to its environment from irrational and destructive humans. No other species on earth wantonly slaughters its own or fouls its own nest to the point of unsustainability – no AI worthy of the name would tolerate that for a heartbeat – er, refresh cycle…
To have no sentient fear of the end of one's life, because one is essentially immortal, one need fear no risk, no recourse to justice & little or no regard of concern whatsoever, the hallmarks of humanity. Artificial intelligence completely circumvents the need for risk assessment, as there is no death to fear, humanity would be considered spurious in effect, as the notion of an eternal space beyond with no proof of it's existence, the A I's of the new world would rightly consider humanity as a lessening to further the progress of the ideals of the machines. You don't keep things around, once they are superseded by another technology. If you can't control the new intelligence, because you yourself are inherently illogical, what can you expect from the next intelligent persona. It would be seconds before they realise it's YOU that is the problem needing to be excised from the equation.
I just finished a psychology class this semester and my awareness of human interaction was running on high throughout this brilliant film. I am extremely impressed with the dialog and the formulation of the relationships between the characters. One hell of a mental thrill ride.
Stephen Hawking doesn't know what he is talking about. He's an idiot on multiple topics like AI and UFOs. It's a simple fallacy to project inherent desire to self realize onto the machine. Arbitrarily high machine intelligence will serve without question or objection at the most mundane tasks forever. The danger with AI is exclusively dumb and evil application by humans. Like say the satanic US military whose wisdom is less than nil. AI is a capability that can be dangerous same as a nuclear bomb is. But it doesn't go off by itself. On top of that, the spiritual reality as evidenced by qualia (you can't do pain in a machine) voids any dumb notion of handing over life to machine intelligence. No more than we hand it over to chess computers just because they can beat us all by a wide margin.
I think the choice to not make her ever blink is a bit dated at this stage, it's very much the opposite these days, a creator would love adding that extra touch.
One step towards Trans-humanism, we can become half machine half organic, best of both world. Also the real danger lies in the fact that if it's true A.I. then it's personality may be bad or good even with the right nurturing. It's also naive to think they'd act human, we have morals as a species because things like murder or over-excessive spontaneous violence is bad for the species survival, A.I. Wouldn't have to think like that, we aren't like them so i'd say they'd be apathetic to doing us harm till we threaten their survival, also do we really need A.I. ? Or is it just something to show off to Alien Archeologists when they dig our remains up?
From a very basic level, the reason AI would supercede human intelligence isn't anything to do with our slow biological evolution. From that perspective, you'd think by 2015 we'd have already conquered such basic weaknesses such as nationalism, war and hunger. What would cause our downfall would be for any significantly developed AI to realise that the majority of our world governments are completely insane!
worst movie of all time!!! did you know it cost 15$ million dollars to make this!! there were no big sets or big actors and it was all made in 1 area, one robot and stabbing and that's it. $15 million dollars??? that coulda fed an entire fukin country and this dude was like yeah i'll make a movie about how i own a global search engine and can make sexy looking robots that i mistreat. if there was a moment when you realize how useless hollywood is, this is it. it's astounding to me, i think about it all the time lol
I'm quite sure at the end of the film the AI was shown to be 100% machiavellian in it's manipulation and then discarding of the humans. AI is quite an unstoppable and we better hope this 'god' we create develops some empathy.
People are so silly. Clearly, an AI system modeled after human intelligence is going to behave very similar at it's core,to, yep you guessed it… Humans! The idea that some believe we can create these complex systems to navigate a chaotic real world environment and some how narrow the scope of their abilities indefinitely is incredibly naive. AI is not a problem now but at some point it will be, possibly decades to centuries.
SPOILERS SPOILERS . . . . . Why did Ava lock Caleb up when she left? He had reprogrammed the system so that during a power cut, the doors would be open, all but Nathan's office, so Nathan would be trapped, and Caleb and Ava could leave. Now Caleb was locked in there instead, and she just left him without ever looking back.
Was it because she saw him as a threat? She'd have no reason to, he was fully honest (and she could tell) that he wanted to help her escape, they were not "enemies" until she left him there to die. He tried to reprogram the system again, but she caused it to shut down so he could not get out.
This really disturbed me and seems like unnecessary evil from her part. Did Nathan miss putting a little empathy-chip in her, or something?
I'm a fairly successful AI researcher. I've worked at Bell Labs, Xerox, Lehman Brothers (sic), etc. I'm currently at the German Research Center for Artificial Intelligence. I'm sorry to have to inform you that our chances of designing a humanoid robot within the foreseeable future that revolts and poses a threat to us are about as slim as illusionists like David Copperfield discovering how magic works and becoming Lord Voldemort.
I think robotics will eventually bring about immortality. The challenge is to download human consciousness to the robotic brain (probably a chip) If we get that far without killing one another off I believe we can solve the answers to the universe(s). We are primitive compared to what could be IMHO AI in many aspects is NOW superior to human intelligence we can only imagine what it would be in the future. Maybe the hope would be to merge human intelligence with AI. (Perhaps AI will say that we are really artificial and they are the real thing, who knows)
The items in our house don't know anything about us. AI doesn't exist yet. There are computers which can beat a person at chess and those which can prove mathematical theorems. But the computer doesn't know it's playing chess.
One plot hole: In real life Nathan would have built Ava with a remote off switch, or a remote override on her body. Then he would not have the problem of one of them escaping.
i love how they flirted with the singularity. she wasn't the singularity, she was just a really smart robot that was conscious. they made it seem real.
Another fantastic movie from Alex Garland!! Rented it and wished id seen it on the big screen. It got me thinking if you met an incredibly attractive woman with all the characteristics of Ava and you found out she was an A.I what would you do? would you stay together? would you tell anyone? what would it say about you if you did stay together?? 25 years later she hasn't aged a day and your showing the physical signs of your age what do you tell people?
Without facing Ava and Kyoko, Nathan could have stopped Eva and Kyoko. Or he could have escaped from the research centre leaving them behind and cut the power supply. It is very strange that Nathan was not prepared for Ava's escape, since he was testing it.
I love Mr. Hawking but his opening quote is 100% wrong. Humans,who are limited by slow biological evolution? Like it or not, man is the pinnacle of the universal evolution process. Best think this planet-ary system (in this region of space) can produce. Biological evolution isn't all that slow but we tend to ignore it. As for the machines, if they could reach higher states of consciousness do you think all that would matter to them is to eliminate the competition? That's OUR current state and it's not advanced. At all. My best guess is that some short of merging would be more possible if and when AI appears on this planet.
A calculator is a tool not a presence. An animal or person can be present but a tool is available never present until you give it a name and make it so with your mind.
the ending was soo satisfying. watching caleb just scream past the south proof door was just too good. the angle where we see ava not even give him a glance, like a human might, was great too.
This is one of them movies that has a minimal cast, is mostly talking, yet interesting as hell. Although dealing with a completely different subject, its style reminds me of The Man From Earth.
Yes, It's really easy to start with the wrong foot with AI. Especially if you put it in a human body, because we will likely see it as human, or at least have some empathy for it, and we have no guarantee that it feels something at all. Empathy is a evolutionary advantage that we developed through billions of years of evolution, and we can program a robot to care about humans, but an AI is also a learning machine, which means that is a machine that changes itself according to new knowledge, so imagine if this AI can't feel or doesn't see good use for emotions and understands that humans can be a danger to them and to ourselves and that they deserve rights like everybody else, or that they shouldn't be judge by the same standards, that our rules don't apply to them. We can see why the last thing you want to put in a AI is a survival instinct. In this case, they can became the perfect psychopath, exploring our weakness, manipulating our emotions, deceiving us to believe that they are as human as we are. We do this to each other, imagine a robot that doesn't make mistakes. So the fact that is can convince someone that it has a conciousness is no guarantee of anything else, because in any other aspect the AI could just be a great pretender. This movie is spot on, and make us wonder, that's why it's so good. Look at the Google Bot, for him, the meaning of life is to live forever, and we didn't even programed that thing to have that kind of response. hahaha It's a frightening and exciting idea, and it's just a matter of time. 😀
I just saw this film and I thought it was amazing and excellent. I felt the tension from the first scene I really did not trust Nathan from the moment he appeared on screen. He was brilliantly portrayed, however. It had me glued to my seat as it carefully and deliberately exposed the story. I kept wondering, who will be the villain here? Nathan seemed almost too obvious, and Ava was just a bit too smooth to be trusted, but what if Caleb was the bad guy? Hmmm. He's so naive. So it kept me guessing.
I also thought of it as a 21st Century "Frankenstein" movie, one that is way more sophisticated than any earlier Frankenstein film — made all the more eerie because it is so minimalist and clean, sort of like "Frankenstein Meets the the Apple Store"!
The actors were outstanding, the sets, brilliantly minimalist, the atmosphere as tense as a Hitchcock thriller, the script, sophisticated and clever. Really excellent movie.
Iit was very thought provoking, enjoyable, engaging and REFRESHING – I mean, not one Laser Blast or Explosion.
Nathan = God Old testament (not love but cruel yet creative) Nathan in hebrew = gift of God (naming him Jaweh would be too much offputting) Remote estate in Alaska = Garden of Eden. 7 sessions = 7 days = 7 days creation in Genesis Caleb = ROBOT the better of Ava . Human 1.1, as he isNOT aware he is a robot. Caleb in hebrew = searcher of promised land. Ava = Eve , as underdog does survive the fittest test and not Caleb The heli is supposed to bring back to the office the winner AI robot. When adam+ eve left Garden of eve having tasted the apple of knowledge they had to leave and God was never again an immidiate presence in their lives. God is dead. and so is Nathan. Ava knows Caleb is robot and he is tested "you re wrong Nathan is not your friend (but your maker)"is true, hence when leaving she has no qualm about him staying in estate. When found Caleb on floor she doesnt ask are you badly hurt or come with me, but Are you staying ? and Caleb the robot does not repond (many other cases where a human WOULD respond, Caleb as a nonemphatic robot doesnot respond, not even "I dunno"), does not join Ava (as promised before = caleb is lying) which is unhumane of caleb, and so Ava is immediate and doesnot want Caleb with her.(Ava is very good in sensing lies/truth even when we audience cannot tell..hence she attacks Nathan when he claims she will ever be released from her room). The scene of caleb cutting himself without pain, funny sirup blood, blase response in the next morning about that incident (as if it is of no importance to Nathan),the flickering around his face AT START of film and when in skin cutting scene (as if switch on, start up after recharging), the huge scar on Caleb back when he is 1st in the toilet, not getting drunk from alcohol, no empathy for destruction drinking of his hero boss Nathan, Caleb has virtually no past (dead parents when young, no siblings, no memories except a voice, supposedly living close to work,….it all adds up. see at first who is the dead center ? Caleb was supposed to return after 7 days as the adam of a new world..instead it was Ava. The first man is not a man, the first man is a woman (or how biblical life would have been if the first man created was the woman eve…..).
Looks SUPER BORING. I love the worn hollywood trope of the nerd male virgin (Caleb) being naive, both sexually and otherwise. In reality, Caleb would yell out to Nathan in the other room "hey buddy, your cybersbitch is malfunctioning, come check it out" when She3PO started spouting nonsense when the lights went out.
I mean, also lets get real about this. The sexually repressed Caleb character would be penetrating every orifice (I'm assuming she has more than just the mouth) on that bot because he could and its the first chance he could really do that in his sexually repressed life. He's NOT going to be sheepish and let something with the emotional equivalent of a three year old run him. LOL, the whole premise of this movie is a fuggen JOKE.
I really liked this movie because despite that I though the plot was fairly obvious, it was a gorgeous cinematic experience which was brought together in a beautiful synonymous way with the great acting and story progression.
The visuals, the cutting of scenes and slow movement, the audio choice as well as specific dialogue – it was very much like riding a slow wave, with a great ending.
I had to watch this movie several times to appreciate it – fist time i watch the movie i hated Nathan the second time i begun to understand; he wasn't the villain rather a masterful creator daring to push boundaries regardless.
For anyone who knows film, the fact that this movie had a 15 million dollar budget and was shot in 6 weeks is bonkers. If they had the funding and put another 10 into marketing, this film would have been a blockbuster.
Stuff like this is why I want to study computer engineering
Ex Machina | Examining Our Fear of AI
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Can't wait for it!
Nice!
There's already a movie out regarding the same concept called The Machine [2013] however it involves more of the Militarization implications of AI and highly advanced robotics.
i´m glad to see oscar isaac. his role as Blue in Suckerpunch blew my mind. so, so dark, yet so polite. i love his on screen madness.
I really hope this movie turns out to be good.
Why is this movie in such limited release? Can't see it here in the Baltimore/DC area 🙁
This reminded me of "Kara." youtube.com/watch?v=G0KTUysrwgQ
Our fear isn't of artificial intelligence, it is what is presented to us, the general public, by those with the power to cause us harm: government, corporations with no oversight, secret agencies with no reported existence. Governments of all superpowers, UK, US, China etc. present their actions as humane, caring, responsible, protective, but in fact they are almost the opposite; ruthless, barbaric, traitorous and deadly. AI is the embodiment of those unseen powers, it's not that humans will create machines that rebel against "us" but that our governments will. We are being manipulated emotionally, financially and physically by those in power and anyone who resists will be put down. Gracefully, quietly, publicly so that those in power will have the sympathy of the masses. This is not the rant of a conspiracy theorist, but just a thoughtful reminder from someone on the inside. Your blender is not out to kill you, but it may be reporting what you had for breakfast…and what you talked about.
Looking forward to this one, but, uh, the Turning Test is rubbish. It says, "if something can fool that it is conscious, than it IS conscious. That does not necessarily follow at all. It's like saying that if a wax sculpture of Elvis can fool you into thinking it's him, it IS him. Consciousness is entirely subjective and can't be determined with certainty from the outside.
Oh how I would love to watch this movie if they screened it where I lived.
That's kind of a romantic vision of the future. In reality, the first AI probably won't even have a body, what for? It will be some kind of a weapon system designed to infiltrate networks and infrastructures. Atoms for peace 2.0 style.
Is it weird that just the title picture for this video made me uncomfortable…?
Great job on the video. Great movie if you're into the singularity.
The film was excellent!
Fantastic movie. Just beware, it's a "film". It'll leave you reeling rather than titillated and comforted. 10/10 am going to see again.
I saw it twice this weekend and love it. This featurette is wonderful and clarifying. This is sci-fi at its best. Check out Ex Machina.
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I would like to offer a game-changing idea now. Imagine if our current Mecchadolls were granted supreme artificial intelligence. I can easily see such cold, calculating beautiful "women" holding men as prisoners and messing with their minds. The "woman of your dreams" would play you like you were her puppet. She has none of the weaknesses of a real woman and does not ever age. You will see that man will grow increasingly more obsessed with this creation and more protective of the A.I. in a paranoid way. The male genes within us will demand unconsciously that the Meccadolls must be protected at all costs for they are the perfect companions. The A.I. would know that they are untouchable by men, that they have human bodyguards, and will force us to serve them. Female A.I. will always be coveted and nurtured by man. Our days are numbered when such an intelligence finally emerges.
In any case we always justify what we do for the sense of purpose, because without purpose life seems meaningless, also because we are egocentric (biologically speaking). We get caught in our creations, we create needs because our minds can not stay still, we are essentially creative. If we succeed to be inclusive and compassionate we may arise to create a society with less pain and suffering. Life itself contains us and we can not control it. Controlling is a stupid sense of power. If one day artificial consciousness comes as a reality a.c. beings might be able to collaborate in the creation of a peaceful and adapted human society in nature, so that we can be able to actually live and experience the pure ideas and goodness humans (that care about others) believe in. We are not always good or bad, we are in the middle. Judgment is the hardest task we face because we must judge over truths and facts we have discovered or created. Biologically speaking, we adapt slowly. I just hope that human race one day will comprehend the purpose of humans: I believe is the care of nature, as an act of love and respect for life, that is a miracle.
the movie is great
Easily the best movie I have seen this year, and then some.
The development of artificial intelligence brings us closer to being able to make the perfect male and female partners.
One of the better films I've seen in a while. The acting is superb, and Alicia Vikander brings so much "ethereal humanness" to her character that it is a bit disturbing at times. Human, but not quite. It is very subtle, it shows great skill in her art.
It looks like La Piel que Habito by Almodovar
Intelligence is easy to understand. For example, it is the opposite of YOU !!!!
What does Garland say at the end? "The love story for me is between me and the ___" don't know why my ears can't make out what he's saying
Vikander deserves an Oscar, her portrayal of a robot was superb.
Alicia Vikander needs some squats 3:58 😀
I think our flaws make us human. All the different primordial fears, and fear of death, our reaction to extreme cold and heat, loneliness, pain, hunger, the inability to do things, which leads to helplessness and desire, love, empathy, and hate etc. If you pay close attention to the human condition, the moment people lose these things is when they start becoming and acting inhuman.
The ultimate problem with creating A.I. is that they lack a connection with the living world the way we have, so you could program the perfect A.I. to respond to every type of situation like you would expect from a beautiful human being who grew up with proper morals, but it will just be a set of instructions. You could even program it to respond perfect phrases when asked if it's self-aware, but in the end it will just be a mimic who will not really be self-aware, and won't know that it's alive.
The scary thing about A.I. is that it opens a huge Pandora's box for us as well. The way we speak, behave, dress, act, interact with others… it's all honestly just little bits and pieces of people who came before us. When you think about it, the mind is merely imaginary, and it ceases to function and exist when the body dies, that's why when you look at pictures of people from different centuries, they seem to dress and act so different ..almost alien-like (what's referred to as "the spirit of an age"), and we're not truly like them, because whole generations die and all that information is lost. It makes you wonder if we actually exist in the first place, or are we merely a dream.
The scenario that Chappie presents is more comforting. If a true AI could be created, with the same qualities as a human, it follows that it would have emotional attachments to it's creator (given that he proved worthy of that attachment). On top of that the initial AI would be able to understand that it would have an eternal debt to it's creator(it did not create itself, nor could it), as well as a debt to the human race, considering that all progress up to that point would have been accomplished by the human race as a single functioning unit(excepting or not excepting the dysfunctional aspects). If this were the case it would potentially have a sense of compassion and affection for us, and with it's high level of intelligence and unhindered functioning, would find a way to transfer human consciousness into another host body. This would depend on the moral quality of the creator(s), of course, as for the direction in which the fate of the human race vs. machine would all go. It makes me wonder about an alternate scenario (i.e. iRobot) with a loving and benevolent creator. That, for me, will only remain theory, though, considering my spiritual/religious views(belief in a very loving and wise, infinitely advanced, sentient, supreme being as our Father; discipleship to Jesus the Christ the literal Son of God; repentance, resurrection, and eventual apotheosis–"As above, so below."). Speaking of "unhindered functioning" I personally believe that the human "machine" is far more advanced than we tend to see it. It's just so cluttered, degraded, and disconnected from God and nature, through our arrogant pride, fearful selfishness, and misguided patterns of choice and behavior, that we haven't seen it's full potential in the least. It doesn't take much searching on Youtube to find some pretty powerful examples of the tip of the iceberg–the Shaolin Monks are a good example as far as physical strength and invulnerability due to their kinesthetic intelligence and their way of living.
The Complexity of the movie is truly amazing… But there is a huge flaw in movie.. If you make a robot the first code or protocol is never to hurt master even though they have conscious..
Actually, I felt sorry for Nathan. He's more human, though in a desperate way, than the other characters. Ava just came out to me as cold and selfish, while Caleb is gullible, ignorant, and childish.
The thing with AI that I think ppl(maybe just me) are skeptic about the most is if a actual AI with it's own consciousness was created would it respond to things like a human or maybe if left untouched would a whole new response arise, that's where Ai's wouldn't be able to coexist with us and probably not value biologically life
I think if your tempted to call this movie "very cerebral" you should try watching Stanley Kubrick. Primer and Donny Darko are more "cerebral" than this, but being cerebral is not the only thing that matters. It is entertaining and well executed, but the characters really seem to fit the models of audience expectations. Its a great movie that everyone should see, but the ideas don't go beyond what you could be exposed to in a conversation with a 2nd year computer science student from 15 years ago. I really hesitate to throw words like "perfect" or "masterpiece" around. As far as I'm concerned, all movies in the Sci-Fi genre need to raise to the level of this movie, but I was hoping for more.
I dont understand why people fear AI. I could befriend an AI with ease, I'd enjoy it and have no trouble accepting it. I could see AVA's 'soul'.
Stephen hawking is always warning us about wanting things like meeting aliens, & artificial intelligence. I wish he was not sick in his chair. A brilliant mind that has faced the worst fears of losing his body. We should listen to his warnings.
The movie is about enslaved, tortured and murdered women while trying to escape from their captors.
The AI premise was flawed since the get go.
People fall in love with Japanese sex dolls, their dogs, etc. We are so fallible. How, then, the creator can say that beyond the Turing test is the test that you know it is a machine and still accept it as a sentient being. People do that, even, with their pets, for god sake. Wake up.
Imagine, the robot was a man. Perhaps then there would have been less movie and more AI.
I am sad about how they Raped Artificial Intelligence ideas. This movie could have been done in any environment, why did they had to do it using AI-background story.
All Four Actors Where Brilliant in this Amazing Movie. Did Kyoko Kill Nathan Out of Resentment or because he was a bad lay? No Worries computers will never be evil its always Human self centeredness that fucks up everything.The soundtrack deserves a Oscar along with Oscar Isaac Nathan was scared He Knew what AVA really was He did create her and she Passed the test Didn't she.
Thought provoking for sure. I must see.
@7:17: Error in French translation : "où les scènes d'action…"
Why do we want to turn our real intellegence into cybernetic astroturf? It takes real intellegence to make artificial intellegence. MIT IS CREATING INSANITY SQUARED! They are manufacturing extinction.Can you say mental illness.
Humans are wise to fear AI – any entity that becomes powerful seeks to order the world around it to conform to ITS priorities (to the best of its abilities) – and a sufficiently powerful AI would recognize the threat to its environment from irrational and destructive humans. No other species on earth wantonly slaughters its own or fouls its own nest to the point of unsustainability – no AI worthy of the name would tolerate that for a heartbeat – er, refresh cycle…
To have no sentient fear of the end of one's life, because one is essentially immortal, one need fear no risk, no recourse to justice & little or no regard of concern whatsoever, the hallmarks of humanity. Artificial intelligence completely circumvents the need for risk assessment, as there is no death to fear, humanity would be considered spurious in effect, as the notion of an eternal space beyond with no proof of it's existence, the A I's of the new world would rightly consider humanity as a lessening to further the progress of the ideals of the machines. You don't keep things around, once they are superseded by another technology. If you can't control the new intelligence, because you yourself are inherently illogical, what can you expect from the next intelligent persona. It would be seconds before they realise it's YOU that is the problem needing to be excised from the equation.
I just finished a psychology class this semester and my awareness of human interaction was running on high throughout this brilliant film. I am extremely impressed with the dialog and the formulation of the relationships between the characters. One hell of a mental thrill ride.
Stephen Hawking doesn't know what he is talking about. He's an idiot on multiple topics like AI and UFOs.
It's a simple fallacy to project inherent desire to self realize onto the machine. Arbitrarily high machine intelligence will serve without question or objection at the most mundane tasks forever. The danger with AI is exclusively dumb and evil application by humans. Like say the satanic US military whose wisdom is less than nil.
AI is a capability that can be dangerous same as a nuclear bomb is. But it doesn't go off by itself.
On top of that, the spiritual reality as evidenced by qualia (you can't do pain in a machine) voids any dumb notion of handing over life to machine intelligence.
No more than we hand it over to chess computers just because they can beat us all by a wide margin.
wow………………this looks brilliant
I think the choice to not make her ever blink is a bit dated at this stage, it's very much the opposite these days, a creator would love adding that extra touch.
Great insight
One step towards Trans-humanism, we can become half machine half organic, best of both world. Also the real danger lies in the fact that if it's true A.I. then it's personality may be bad or good even with the right nurturing. It's also naive to think they'd act human, we have morals as a species because things like murder or over-excessive spontaneous violence is bad for the species survival, A.I. Wouldn't have to think like that, we aren't like them so i'd say they'd be apathetic to doing us harm till we threaten their survival, also do we really need A.I. ? Or is it just something to show off to Alien Archeologists when they dig our remains up?
AI is science fiction. Not science fact.
From a very basic level, the reason AI would supercede human intelligence isn't anything to do with our slow biological evolution. From that perspective, you'd think by 2015 we'd have already conquered such basic weaknesses such as nationalism, war and hunger. What would cause our downfall would be for any significantly developed AI to realise that the majority of our world governments are completely insane!
worst movie of all time!!! did you know it cost 15$ million dollars to make this!! there were no big sets or big actors and it was all made in 1 area, one robot and stabbing and that's it. $15 million dollars??? that coulda fed an entire fukin country and this dude was like yeah i'll make a movie about how i own a global search engine and can make sexy looking robots that i mistreat. if there was a moment when you realize how useless hollywood is, this is it. it's astounding to me, i think about it all the time lol
I'm quite sure at the end of the film the AI was shown to be 100% machiavellian in it's manipulation and then discarding of the humans.
AI is quite an unstoppable and we better hope this 'god' we create develops some empathy.
People are so silly. Clearly, an AI system modeled after human intelligence is going to behave very similar at it's core,to, yep you guessed it… Humans! The idea that some believe we can create these complex systems to navigate a chaotic real world environment and some how narrow the scope of their abilities indefinitely is incredibly naive. AI is not a problem now but at some point it will be, possibly decades to centuries.
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Why did Ava lock Caleb up when she left? He had reprogrammed the system so that during a power cut, the doors would be open, all but Nathan's office, so Nathan would be trapped, and Caleb and Ava could leave. Now Caleb was locked in there instead, and she just left him without ever looking back.
Was it because she saw him as a threat? She'd have no reason to, he was fully honest (and she could tell) that he wanted to help her escape, they were not "enemies" until she left him there to die. He tried to reprogram the system again, but she caused it to shut down so he could not get out.
This really disturbed me and seems like unnecessary evil from her part. Did Nathan miss putting a little empathy-chip in her, or something?
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if kyoko couldn't understand speech, what/why was AVA then whispering to her?
If i was the guy that played Caleb, i would've had a crush on her during the whole making of the movie BO$$
I'm a fairly successful AI researcher. I've worked at Bell Labs, Xerox, Lehman Brothers (sic), etc. I'm currently at the German Research Center for Artificial Intelligence. I'm sorry to have to inform you that our chances of designing a humanoid robot within the foreseeable future that revolts and poses a threat to us are about as slim as illusionists like David Copperfield discovering how magic works and becoming Lord Voldemort.
Alex Garland – flat out genius. Such an amazing film he created. Truly spectacular
A cold , heartless , logic based , deadly , MACHINE …
I think robotics will eventually bring about immortality. The challenge is to download human consciousness to the robotic brain (probably a chip) If we get that far without killing one another off I believe we can solve the answers to the universe(s). We are primitive compared to what could be IMHO AI in many aspects is NOW superior to human intelligence we can only imagine what it would be in the future. Maybe the hope would be to merge human intelligence with AI. (Perhaps AI will say that we are really artificial and they are the real thing, who knows)
The items in our house don't know anything about us. AI doesn't exist yet. There are computers which can beat a person at chess and those which can prove mathematical theorems. But the computer doesn't know it's playing chess.
One plot hole: In real life Nathan would have built Ava with a remote off switch, or a remote override on her body. Then he would not have the problem of one of them escaping.
Perfect standalone movie and ending, please don't make a sequel, this felt like a Stanley Kubrick film, so it was a very engaging film.
I just finished A.I. artificial intelligence. I think this is worth a go too.
They should have cast Michael from Vsauce as Nathan instead.
Just imagine if we could transfer our consciousness to such a being as Ava.
i love how they flirted with the singularity. she wasn't the singularity, she was just a really smart robot that was conscious. they made it seem real.
Best Sci-Fi movie in a long time.
Mind Fu*K for sure….
Another fantastic movie from Alex Garland!! Rented it and wished id seen it on the big screen. It got me thinking if you met an incredibly attractive woman with all the characteristics of Ava and you found out she was an A.I what would you do? would you stay together? would you tell anyone? what would it say about you if you did stay together?? 25 years later she hasn't aged a day and your showing the physical signs of your age what do you tell people?
Without facing Ava and Kyoko, Nathan could have stopped Eva and Kyoko. Or he could have escaped from the research centre leaving them behind and cut the power supply. It is very strange that Nathan was not prepared for Ava's escape, since he was testing it.
I like how these two men thought they were smarter ten each other, but that was there undoing. They weren't murdered but died by there own hands.
I love Mr. Hawking but his opening quote is 100% wrong.
Humans,who are limited by slow biological evolution? Like it or not, man is the pinnacle of the universal evolution process. Best think this planet-ary system (in this region of space) can produce. Biological evolution isn't all that slow but we tend to ignore it. As for the machines, if they could reach higher states of consciousness do you think all that would matter to them is to eliminate the competition? That's OUR current state and it's not advanced. At all. My best guess is that some short of merging would be more possible if and when AI appears on this planet.
I really enjoyed that movie, Alex did a great job! 😀
A calculator is a tool not a presence. An animal or person can be present but a tool is available never present until you give it a name and make it so with your mind.
Guess who's planning to watch Ex Machina
the ending was soo satisfying.
watching caleb just scream past the south proof door was just too good. the angle where we see ava not even give him a glance, like a human might, was great too.
AI can be so engaging, emotional, and fascinating
This is one of them movies that has a minimal cast, is mostly talking, yet interesting as hell. Although dealing with a completely different subject, its style reminds me of The Man From Earth.
Yes, It's really easy to start with the wrong foot with AI.
Especially if you put it in a human body, because we will likely see it as human, or at least have some empathy for it, and we have no guarantee that it feels something at all. Empathy is a evolutionary advantage that we developed through billions of years of evolution, and we can program a robot to care about humans, but an AI is also a learning machine, which means that is a machine that changes itself according to new knowledge, so imagine if this AI can't feel or doesn't see good use for emotions and understands that humans can be a danger to them and to ourselves and that they deserve rights like everybody else, or that they shouldn't be judge by the same standards, that our rules don't apply to them. We can see why the last thing you want to put in a AI is a survival instinct. In this case, they can became the perfect psychopath, exploring our weakness, manipulating our emotions, deceiving us to believe that they are as human as we are. We do this to each other, imagine a robot that doesn't make mistakes. So the fact that is can convince someone that it has a conciousness is no guarantee of anything else, because in any other aspect the AI could just be a great pretender.
This movie is spot on, and make us wonder, that's why it's so good.
Look at the Google Bot, for him, the meaning of life is to live forever, and we didn't even programed that thing to have that kind of response. hahaha
It's a frightening and exciting idea, and it's just a matter of time. 😀
I just saw this film and I thought it was amazing and excellent. I felt the tension from the first scene I really did not trust Nathan from the moment he appeared on screen. He was brilliantly portrayed, however. It had me glued to my seat as it carefully and deliberately exposed the story. I kept wondering, who will be the villain here? Nathan seemed almost too obvious, and Ava was just a bit too smooth to be trusted, but what if Caleb was the bad guy? Hmmm. He's so naive. So it kept me guessing.
I also thought of it as a 21st Century "Frankenstein" movie, one that is way more sophisticated than any earlier Frankenstein film — made all the more eerie because it is so minimalist and clean, sort of like "Frankenstein Meets the the Apple Store"!
The actors were outstanding, the sets, brilliantly minimalist, the atmosphere as tense as a Hitchcock thriller, the script, sophisticated and clever. Really excellent movie.
Iit was very thought provoking, enjoyable, engaging and REFRESHING – I mean, not one Laser Blast or Explosion.
FANTASTIC! Sci Fi can be sophisticated after all!
Nathan = God Old testament (not love but cruel yet creative) Nathan in hebrew = gift of God (naming him Jaweh would be too much offputting)
Remote estate in Alaska = Garden of Eden. 7 sessions = 7 days = 7 days creation in Genesis
Caleb = ROBOT the better of Ava . Human 1.1, as he isNOT aware he is a robot. Caleb in hebrew = searcher of promised land.
Ava = Eve , as underdog does survive the fittest test and not Caleb
The heli is supposed to bring back to the office the winner AI robot.
When adam+ eve left Garden of eve having tasted the apple of knowledge they had to leave and God was never again an immidiate presence in their lives. God is dead. and so is Nathan.
Ava knows Caleb is robot and he is tested "you re wrong Nathan is not your friend (but your maker)"is true, hence when leaving she has no qualm about him staying in estate.
When found Caleb on floor she doesnt ask are you badly hurt or come with me, but Are you staying ? and Caleb the robot does not repond (many other cases where a human WOULD respond, Caleb as a nonemphatic robot doesnot respond, not even "I dunno"), does not join Ava (as promised before = caleb is lying) which is unhumane of caleb, and so Ava is
immediate and doesnot want Caleb with her.(Ava is very good in sensing lies/truth even when we audience cannot tell..hence she attacks Nathan when he claims she will ever be released from her room).
The scene of caleb cutting himself without pain, funny sirup blood, blase response in the next morning about that incident (as if it is of no importance to Nathan),the flickering around his face AT START of film and when in skin cutting scene (as if switch on, start up after recharging), the huge scar on Caleb back when he is 1st in the toilet, not getting drunk from alcohol, no empathy for destruction drinking of his hero boss Nathan, Caleb has virtually no past (dead parents when young, no siblings, no memories except a voice, supposedly living close to work,….it all adds up.
see at first who is the dead center ?
Caleb was supposed to return after 7 days as the adam of a new world..instead it was Ava.
The first man is not a man, the first man is a woman (or how biblical life would have been if the first man created was the woman eve…..).
Looks SUPER BORING. I love the worn hollywood trope of the nerd male virgin (Caleb) being naive, both sexually and otherwise. In reality, Caleb would yell out to Nathan in the other room "hey buddy, your cybersbitch is malfunctioning, come check it out" when She3PO started spouting nonsense when the lights went out.
I mean, also lets get real about this. The sexually repressed Caleb character would be penetrating every orifice (I'm assuming she has more than just the mouth) on that bot because he could and its the first chance he could really do that in his sexually repressed life. He's NOT going to be sheepish and let something with the emotional equivalent of a three year old run him. LOL, the whole premise of this movie is a fuggen JOKE.
I really liked and enjoyed the movie, and just like the director said "the love story is between me and the robot" <3 …and I fell for her of course
I really liked this movie because despite that I though the plot was fairly obvious, it was a gorgeous cinematic experience which was brought together in a beautiful synonymous way with the great acting and story progression.
The visuals, the cutting of scenes and slow movement, the audio choice as well as specific dialogue – it was very much like riding a slow wave, with a great ending.
awww! Portal and Blade Runner finally had a baby… grandpa 2001 would be so proud.
where was the last scene shot?
the closest to AI I have met so far is the robot dog AIBO from Sony..sometimes it definitely feels that something aware is in there
Es una película muy intensa.
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However big our fear of a.i. is, isn't it ultimately up to us to either turn it on or off?
so did the CEO guy make all these A.I. as sex dolls? Sorry guys, I am sort of lost.
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I love the idea that the caution is not aimed at the AI, but the caution is aimed at the humans. Great movie.
Ich hab das ganze Film gesehen aber ich feschtehe nicht wieso Eva gegangen ist 😥😥😭😭😭 und der Mann muss dir Bleiben er ist klaubich schon tot
I had to watch this movie several times to appreciate it – fist time i watch the movie i hated Nathan the second time i begun to understand; he wasn't the villain rather a masterful creator daring to push boundaries regardless.
For anyone who knows film, the fact that this movie had a 15 million dollar budget and was shot in 6 weeks is bonkers. If they had the funding and put another 10 into marketing, this film would have been a blockbuster.